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Poster: lobster12 Date: May 11, 2007 11:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: howard stern on the dead

On friday's they replay great shows in history of the stern show. Today they played clips of Howard talking about the dead and playing clips of Blair jackson. He commented that like Adam Sandler, for the life of him he could never see their success. To this day I remember stern on Letterman around the time Jerry went into a coma. letterman brought it up and stern replies, "oh no. No more 8 hour martahon's with Hot tuna."

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Poster: BryanE Date: May 11, 2007 5:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead

Never been a Stern fan, and this just another in a long list of reasons why I'm not.

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Poster: dehead Date: May 11, 2007 6:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead

I used to listen and enjoy Stern while he was on free radio. Part of Howard's appeal and a large part of his success can be attributed to the fact that he can speak coherently on a large number of topics, with only the bare minimum of background knowledge. He frequently spouts opinions on things he is only vaguely familiar with or has only read about. I'm not surprised he dismisses the Dead. He is a mirror of pop culture. He is only interested in something while it is popular with the masses.

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Poster: gdave Date: May 11, 2007 11:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead

I remember Stern being particularly brutal toward the Dead too.

If I remember correctly it was in the early 90s, and Howard was going on about how boring their music was, and I believe he called them wusses or pussies. During the same segment, Howard mockingly sang part of Uncle John's, and then proceeded to claim that Twisted Sister was a far superior band.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: May 11, 2007 12:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead

You are correct. he did however, respect them as business men.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 11, 2007 11:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead

Dee Snider rocks my world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbLSFiqq3S0

I do give him props for his testimony, alongside Zappa and John Denver, back when Prince Al was letting Tipper and other concerned political wives (recall the PRMC?) go after the First Amendment. The result? Warning labels re content. Fine, I have a 6 year old kid that I don't neccesarily want listening to NWA's Straight Out of Compton (yea, I'm old), but the result was that record companies ADVISED artists to throw a fuck or two in a lyric to get the sticker because it helped sales (true story for one friend's band when on island...)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 11, 2007 4:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead

did you see the spot he did on Chappelles show during the skit " ask a gay dude" Hillarious.

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: May 11, 2007 11:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead

Right on, the guy is butt ugly and the band is horrid but he isn't stupid and he did stand up against censoreship. I often wonder how Howard Stern makes a living myself. Everytime I bring up the PMRC and Tipper Gore it mysteriously gets ignored or justified for political reasons. Go figure. Blame it on bush.

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Poster: gtrclktr351 Date: May 11, 2007 3:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead

(With apologies to R. Van Zant...)

Well I heard mister Stern talkin' about them
Well, I heard ole Howie put 'em down
Well, I hope Howard Stern will remember
A Deadhead don't need him around anyhow


fugedabout Howie Stern!

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: May 12, 2007 5:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: FZ and JG

In 1967, the Dead came to New York to do a series of gigs at the Cafe Au Gogo. Upstairs at the Garrick Theater, Zappa and the Mothers were holding court as the "house band" on an extended stay (several months as I recall). I saw the Dead several times during the summer visit. Frank and several mothers were present on numerous occasions at the Dead's shows, and there was reciprocity upstairs. More than a few times, Uncle Meat was spotted rapping with Captain Trips out on the corner. Frank used to poke fun at everyone and everything he could, but he had a clear respect for what was going on downstairs. Don't think for a minute that either guitarist wasn't listening to the other.

Interesting to note is that F.Z. didn't start doing extended guitar riffs and improvs until late 1967--early 1968. Coincidence? Perhaps. But I think Frank listened with keen ears to the musicians in the S.F. bands.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 11, 2007 1:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead

I like Howard Stern. That doesn't surprise me he's down on the Dead, I'd be surprised if he wasn't. What I like about him is not that he's superficial and tends to appeal to the lowest common denominator. What I like is his BRUTAL honesty and the fact that he practicies it with his own life. He spares no one including himself. The ONLY exception is his sidekick Robin. It is amazing some of the restraint he extends to her.

The one person who's opinion on the Dead I REALLY would like to have known is Frank Zappa. On one hand he was this perfectionist who's anti-drug, but on the other he's forced to be around things just due to the facts of Rock and Roll in the 60's and 70's. I kind of figured he'd hate all things hippie and yet he had some dealings with Janis and made a tune with Grace Slick. Anyone know?

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Poster: scum beat Date: May 11, 2007 2:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead

Not sure how Zappa felt about the dead -- however I did see the JGB double-billed with Zappa in Chicago, say around '82 or '83. While I don't remember much of the show, I know the JGB played first, then when Zappa started his set he had to sit everyone down in the audience, tell them not to be so excited, it'll be a long night. I always loved the pairing -- two phenominal musicians -- two very differewnt stlyes. I still have the tickets. Unfortunately I've lost most of the memories.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 11, 2007 2:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead

Wow can you imagine? oops, I guess you can because you were there. All I can think of is that great scene from the legendary 77 Halloween show featured on Baby Snakes where Zappa says " oh no, it's one of those dope fiend devices! Take it away!" I can only imagine how many more would be there with Jerry in the house : )

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Poster: AshesRising Date: May 11, 2007 3:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: stern and....

Mr. Zappa: thanks for your service; I hope you didn't have fear in your heart when you departed. --- AshesRising


This post was modified by AshesRising on 2007-05-11 22:21:43

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 11, 2007 3:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: stern and....Zappa.....

I don't see where he said all that much out of line. There was a reason the Dead moved away from it too don't you think? I don't really see the Dead falling into the whole Hippy thing as much as it's attributed to them.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: May 11, 2007 3:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: stern and...

Guys: Is that better? Thanks for the reminder about modern orchestra's performing the Grateful Dead's materials -- I don't know whether anybody has posted this or not:

Dead Symphony, An Orchestral Tribute to the Music of the Grateful Dead

http://musicstore.connect.com/album/115/Russian-National-Orchestra/Dead-Symphony-An-Orchestral-Tribute-to-the-Music-of-the-Grateful-Dead/500000000000021572579.html

Enjoy the weekend, --- AshesRising

(bluedevil: are you the same dude that put up those videos on MySpace? -- if so, thanks a lot; I've enjoyed them and occassionally I remind people here to go check them out. --- Ashes)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 11, 2007 3:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: stern and...

No, but thanks for the link, because I had not seen or heard about this. Have any idea how it is?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 11, 2007 3:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: stern and....Zappa.....

Well, you show a truly serious lack of understanding regarding Mr. Zappa's musical contributions if you think all he has to offer is a song about dental floss. BTW, how may Hunter/Garcia compositions (which I by and large love) do you see modern orchestras performing?

Note that Frank gave that interview way back in the past when he was probably sick as shit of the whole "hippie ethos" since he was pretty good at seeing through bullshit. I'm sure as he got older and had more perspective his views may have changed on certain issues, musicians, etc.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 11, 2007 1:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead

Certainly not dispositive on the issue, but found this on the "internets":

http://www.science.uva.nl/~robbert/zappa/interviews/Kofsky.html
Kofsky: California is clearly the center of the new popular music. I wonder how you relate the Mothers to some of the Northern California groups like the Jefferson Airplane, and the Grateful Dead, and though it's a Southern California group, Love. I'm curious as to how you see the relationship between you and your audience compared to the relationship between them and their audience.
Zappa: The whole San Francisco scene is promoting a love relationship between the audience and the group. The group is supposed to love the audience to death.
Kofsky: Do you think this exists in practice?
Zappa: No, I don't think so.
Kofsky: Have you seen this firsthand?
Zappa: Sure. Because I find it equally as nonexistent as- well, you go to the Avalon Ballroom and they pass out feathers and bells. That's it, man. That's phony. That's like if we were to pass out Molotov cocktails in the lobby, it'd be just as phony. It's childish, because it's like a club. The key club-you bring a feather and a bell.
Kofsky: What do you think is the relationship between, say, the Airplane and its following, then, if it isn't really love? Do you think it's just, as you suggested earlier, a street gang without fights?
Zappa: I can't really evaluate other band's followings, because I don't know that much about the inner workings of their promotion. All I can say is that people who like the Jefferson Airplane like'em, and people who like the Grateful Dead, they like'em. People have different tastes.
Kofsky: How about the relationship between the Mothers and their audience?
Zappa: It's a little bit different, because our initial appeal is to the outcasts, the weirdos.
Kofsky: Especially the L.A. weirdos. Your whole thing is steeped in the L.A. mystique.
Zappa: Well, we're definitely a product of our environment. That whole band grew up in L.A. I don't see how people can lump us in with the San Francisco bullshit scene, because it doesn't sound like San Francisco music to me, no matter how objective.... Anyway, the people that we hear about that like us-I could show you some of the fan letters. They're just unique, man. These are really the cream of the weirdos of each town, and they're coming from all over. We're getting letters from very strange places.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 11, 2007 2:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead

Thanks for responding. Ever heard the album " we're only in it for the money"? CLASSIC Zappa rippin on the whole hippy flower power thing.

What I'm most curious though is what he thought later. ALso, I found it interesting when I read that book summer of Love that they have Zappa showing up backstage to a post Big Brother Joplin gig. The band was having a hard time and Zappa was being encouraging. Same thing with him playing on that tune with Slick. I'm not sure if he truly had the same disdain that the Velvet Underground had for the SF bands.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 11, 2007 2:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead

Oh yeah - have it on vinyl.

I lived in Prague for many years (my wife is Czech). When Zappa died, Havel had the fly lowered to half mast over the castle and released a public statment stating that he was very saddended by such a loss and would be listening to his vinyl copy of "Bongo Fury" that Frank gave him. Prior to that time, Havel had made Zappa a honorary minister of culture (or some such title) At the time, George the First and Sec'y of State Baker gave the Czechs a lot of crap for the same, and due to the threats of w/holding some aid, this honorofic was removed. Anyway, there is long, deep connection between Zappa, the Velvet Underground and the dissidents, Charter 77 and the Velvet Revolution in Czechoslovakia.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 11, 2007 2:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead

IS that the same COuntry that Zappa went to and played this great diplomacy for whatever problem they were having over there. Then James Bakker gets involved and has him ordered home. Something like that.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 11, 2007 2:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead

You got it.
http://www.theroc.org/roc-mag/textarch/roc-08/roc0816b.htm

More context on Havel and Zappas' mutual admiration society. Havel is also very close friends these days with Lou Reed. When Dylan played Prague, he gave Havel a notebook of his original lyrics. Pink Floyd provided lighting for the castle (truly) and Havel once made the Australian Prime Minister wait on him while he sat on the tarmac with Mick and Keith in a limo. God, I miss living in Prague ....

This post was modified by bluedevil on 2007-05-11 21:55:47

This post was modified by bluedevil on 2007-05-11 21:57:36

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Poster: sydthecat2 Date: May 11, 2007 5:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead---Vaclav Havel--Zappa and me

On Monday night I and another actor have been invited to a book launch. Havel's new book comes out officially next week dealing primarily with his Presidency. I will be doing readings from the book. I have this singular honour because I and this other actor performed a unique production that blended three Of Havel's one acts Audience, Unveiling and Protest into a single piece and Havel's translator saw the production and pronounced my performance of the Havel character as a dead on impersonation although I had NEVER seen him on film or television, only read about him and his work. He alerted Havel about the production and we were invited to perform the play at the Pilsen International Theate Festival.

Sadly, we couldn't raise the money and the Canadian government showed no interest in helping us get there even though we were the first Canadian company to ever be invited to this prestigious festival (Tom Stoppard is also on the Board of Directors) . There is a brief reference about the death of Frank Zappa in our reading (the Deputy Pres. Vaclav Klaus took Havel to task for expressing regret over the musician's death in the press).

As for what Zappa thought of hippies---who cares? I love Frank Zappa anyway. Many musos shit on the SF scene and the Dead back then, including Steve Miller (who later opened for and jammed onstage with the Dead!!!!), Eric Clapton and others. I cannot speak for Moby Grape or even the Airplane but I do know that the Dead were approaching music from the opposite perspective of just about everyone and I always saw their attitude as extremely punk in nature back then. They didn't care what anybody thought about them and that became my way of dealing with those types who crapped on them.

As for Stern, I have absolutely zero regard for him. He may be courageous for all I know but I find him and his show odious. He got rich by lowering the common denominator and then wraps himself in the flag of Free Speech. There are people dying in the dirt for free speech in this world. Stern is stinking rich because he gets lesbians to take their tops off. Give me a break. He can do what he wants and drive whatever fancy ass car he can afford and have his hair permed into oblivion and make thousands of people laugh but I'll never respect the guy. He's a dweeb.

I respect The Grateful Dead.

This post was modified by sydthecat2 on 2007-05-12 00:23:04

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 11, 2007 5:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead---Vaclav Havel--Zappa and me

But with the huge Czech expat community in Toronto, and fact that Havel's main translator is Canadian (whom I am assuming you are referring to - Paul Wilson? - I forget his name), that is CRIMINAL. Kudos to you. I'm eagerly awaiting Havel's return to writing for the stage after all his years in the castle.

BTW, here's an interesting little tidbit about the man. He and his best childhood friend, around the ages of 12-14, wrote a screenplay for and made a little film adaptation of Kafka's The Castle. Years later, Havel na hrad (Havel to the castle) would become the rallying cry for the Velvet Revolution, and once in "power", his boyhood pal used his own costume desginer to design costumes for the new palace guard. The boyhood pal? Milos Forman. Flying right over that cuckoo's nest to bring it back to the dead....

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 11, 2007 6:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead---Vaclav Havel--Zappa and me

Thanks for the post, Syd. Good perspective.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 11, 2007 6:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead

Okay, if we are just counting votes, I have to go with Ashes and Syd: put be down as one against Zappa and one against Howard.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: May 11, 2007 11:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead

People nowadays tend to forget that the Dead underwent a substantial critical revision after the attention drawn by "In the Dark" and Jerry's coma, with another generous wave coming in the years following Jerry's death. Prior to that, a large segment of both the music world and the public at large seemed to view the band as little more than a (much) more drugged-out version of the countless bands working the oldies circuit, trading in nostalgic celebrations of a bygone era. Or, as Dave Marsh famously put it, "offering facile reminiscence to an audience with no memory of its own."

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Poster: elkdog Date: May 11, 2007 1:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead

This forces me to reconsider everything.

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Poster: Freekquency Date: May 11, 2007 1:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: howard stern on the dead

Yea hes said that while in college in boston his roomate used to play american beauty over and over. And they were supposedly taking acid all the time listening to it thats why he cant stand them. He actually even has a picture of the dead in his 2nd book i belive. I mean boycott the guy or whatever, but its a persona, i dont take much he says seriously or give it any thought. Its comedy.

FWW he strikes me as the type that tripped once, probably had a bad experience and is now succesful because of it.


I belive one line in the book basically said hed rather "fucking kill himself then listen to another grateful dead albumn." LoL
(scared straight?)

This post was modified by Freekquency on 2007-05-11 20:57:03